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Eights This is so damn bloody true. did this triadic enneagram test. Got it from Gideon's blog. Oh, dont look at me like that, i am not visiting because of anything weird. Just blog surfing. Gideon is a Type 7 and 5. Which just means that he is a loner kinda way. check it here A couple of points for Eights (that's me) Point Eight - the Boss Worldview: Only the strong survive. Unconscious Drive: Lust (Excess) Gift: Strength Eights are straightforward, direct, what-you-see-is-what-you-get people. They are able to take charge and make decisions quickly. Bosses are people of action. They can inspire others to do more than they thought possible by the sheer force of their will. Eights often act as protectors of the weak and promoters of justice. Bosses are ebullient, larger-than-life leaders who partake of life's pleasure with all their being. Eights are sensate people who respond to the elements: wind, water, rock, storm. Dark Side of the Gift: Eight's direct, no-nonsense approach can feel brutal and controlling to others. Unaware of their impact, they can steamroll over the emotions and wishes of others to get their own way. Decisions made quickly by gut instinct may not be adequately tempered with thought or feeling. Eights can divide the world into those who are worthy and those who are not. Those who are deserving (according to the Eight) fall under the Boss's protective wing. Others deemed weak and unworthy seem almost caricature-like to the Eight and are simply "eaten" or vanquished. The laws of the jungle apply in the Boss's worldview. Lust for life may lead to excesses dangerous to health and hearth. eg. drugs, alcohol, exercise. Others can see the Eight as too much, too loud, too everything. * i said it didnt i? I was too everything. Internal Terrain "I don't care if you like me, but you'd better respect me," says the Boss. Eights enjoy a good fight with a worthy adversary, because the truth comes out in a fight. They like it when others stand up to them - they can find out what they're made of. Although Eights have a hard time holding back their emotions when angry, their anger is brief and intense as a summer storm. Bosses can't help taking command of a situation. They may not necessarily need to be in control, but Eights hate to be controlled. . If a Boss is enjoying something, s/he want to engage in it full-force, no holds barred. As one Eight said, "If it's good, just kill me with it!" Although Eights look strong, they avoid their own vulnerability. Afraid that they might be weak deep down inside, they convert those softer feelings into boredom and find the antidote in their lust for life or excess. > 8 THE CHALLENGER Enneagram Type Eight The Powerful, Dominating Type: Self-Confident, Decisive, Willful, and Confrontational Basic Fear: Of being harmed or controlled by others Basic Desire: To protect themselves (to be in control of their own life and destiny) Enneagram Eight with a Seven-Wing: "The Maverick" Enneagram Eight with a Nine-Wing: "The Bear" Profile Summary for the Enneagram Type Eight Healthy: Self-assertive, self-confident, and strong: have learned to stand up for what they need and want. A resourceful, "can do" attitude and passionate inner drive. / Decisive, authoritative, and commanding: the natural leader others look up to. Take initiative, make things happen: champion people, provider, protective, and honorable, carrying others with their strength. At Their Best: Become self-restrained and magnanimous, merciful and forbearing, mastering self through their self-surrender to a higher authority. Courageous, willing to put self in serious jeopardy to achieve their vision and have a lasting influence. May achieve true heroism and historical greatness. Average: Self-sufficiency, financial independence, and having enough resources are important concerns: become enterprising, pragmatic, "rugged individualists," wheeler-dealers. Risk-taking, hardworking, denying own emotional needs. Begin to dominate their environment, including others: want to feel that others are behind them, supporting their efforts. Swaggering, boastful, forceful, and expansive: the "boss" whose word is law. Proud, egocentric, want to impose their will and vision on everything, not seeing others as equals or treating them with respect. Become highly combative and intimidating to get their way: confrontational, belligerent, creating adversarial relationships. Everything a test of wills, and they will not back down. Use threats and reprisals to get obedience from others, to keep others off balance and insecure. However, unjust treatment makes others fear and resent them, possibly also band together against them. Unhealthy: Defying any attempt to control them, become completely ruthless, dictatorial, "might makes right." The criminal and outlaw, renegade, and con-artist. Hard-hearted, immoral and potentially violent. Develop delusional ideas about their power, invincibility, and ability to prevail: megalomania, feeling omnipotent, invulnerable. Recklessly over-extending self. If they get in danger, they may brutally destroy everything that has not conformed to their will rather than surrender to anyone else. Vengeful, barbaric, murderous. Sociopathic tendencies. Generally corresponds to the Antisocial Personality Disorder. Key Motivations: Want to be self-reliant, to prove their strength and resist weakness, to be important in their world, to dominate the environment, and to stay in control of their situation. Examples: Martin Luther King, Jr., Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Mikhail Gorbachev, G.I. Gurdjieff, Pablo Picasso, Richard Wagner, Sean Connery, Susan Sarandon, Glenn Close, John Wayne, Charlton Heston, Norman Mailer, Mike Wallace, Barbara Walters, Ann Richards, Toni Morrison, Lee Iococca, Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Bette Davis, Roseanne Barr, James Brown, Chrissie Hynde, Courtney Love, Leona Helmsley, Sigourney Weaver, Fidel Castro, and Saddham Hussein. > A Clinical Pharmacist's View of the Enneagram Eight Dr. Paul Boroff In this essay, I'll describe my interactions with the aggressive, power-oriented point Eight. I found them to be relatively happy, healthy people. Eights don't repress negative emotions such as anger. This may contribute to their health. We know that repressing negative emotions leads to a marked decrease in the immune system's efficiency. Eights are characterized as an aggressive, confrontational style. Power is important. It is important for the Eight to feel more powerful and be more in control than the people around them, so they tend to be natural leaders. Stalin, Castro, and Mao Tse Tung were all Eights, as was American President Andrew Jackson. A country ruled by a dictatorship where force prevails is likely to have an Eight leader. America, with its democracy has a wider variety. Clinton and Reagan are nines, Bush a Six, John Kennedy a Seven and Jimmy Carter a Three. Eights tend to be fearless and have an uncanny ability to judge the strengths and weaknesses of others. It is almost impossible to bluff an Eight. An Eight will often feel the physical reaction to fear before they feel the fearful emotion. Helen Palmer tells of an Eight who was climbing a mountain and was in danger. He didn't feel the emotion of being afraid, but recognized his fear by the rapidity of his heartbeat. Eights despise fear in themselves even more than in others. Josef Stalin was dictator of Russia from 1924-53. Because of his early pro-Communist activity, the Czar held him prisoner. While there, he was ordered to run the gauntlet. This method of torture consisted of a man running the length of a line of soldiers carrying heavy rifles. As the man "ran the gauntlet," the soldiers would beat him mercilessly with their rifles. When it was Stalin's turn, he did not run. He walked. Calmly. As a result of his courage and high pain tolerance, he was nicknamed Stalin; which means Steel. (Eights generally have a high pain tolerance.) Eights tend to be extroverted, dynamic people. They appear "larger than life." You always know they are there. The traditional emotion is lust, in the general sense of a zest for life. Maria, a former technician with me, is an Eight. She was quite young (22) and an avid partygoer. She had a temper. I never knew what mood she would display at work. Most of the time, she was vivacious and energetic. When she was having problems with her boyfriend, she was quiet and moody. I suggested she should slow down a bit. Eights tend to have the last word so she graciously informed me I led a dull bookworm's life! I taught Maria the Enneagram. An avid student, she picked up the theory quickly. We would often interact with a new customer and try to determine their number. Eights can often see through people and Maria's knack for sizing up people astonished me. She was correct about new customers more often than I was. Under stress, an Eight will take on the more compulsive aspects of Five. The usually garrulous Eight becomes quiet and introverted. (Remember, Five is the introverted loner type who seeks quiet and solitude to pursue intellectual interests.) I'd say my book knowledge about the Eight to Five shift came to life with Maria. The source of her stress was almost always problems with her boyfriend. Maria would get a call from him while at work. The transformation was amazing. The aggressive, outgoing, talkative Maria would sulk in the back of the pharmacy. She would remain completely quiet. It almost seemed like she was in a type of fetal position. If I tried to snap her out of her "coma," she would not respond. She would stare blankly into space. The complete extrovert became a complete introvert in a moment. Eventually, she would come out of it and go back to her usual Eightish self. I noticed the same phenomenon in some of my Eight patients. When their doctors had given them bad news about their health status, they would come into the pharmacy and be uncommunicative, even though they were naturally gregarious and talkative. Whenever I noticed this Eight to Five shift in my patients, I would try to get them to tell me what was bothering them. Talking about a problem seems to relieve their stress. Some of my Eight patients were astounded that I knew they were experiencing stress. (A knowledge of the Enneagram helps a pharmacist who wants to help patients!) When relaxed, an Eight can take on the positive aspects of Point Two. The formerly aggressive Eight becomes nurturing and caring, particularly toward family and friends. Ask the family of an Eight what they are like in the security of their home. The answer will be in sharp contrast to their normally powerful and aggressive personality. I have found that a number of Eights relax by cooking, a good example of a nurturing activity. One patient considered himself an expert chef. The passion of point Eight is lust, in sexual and non-sexual terms such as an avid partygoer who has a lust for life. Eights are intense and meet life head-on. They tend to have a strong sex drive and are very sexual. In the cartoon in Baron/Wagele's book, Are you my type, am I yours? A man has just made love to an Eight woman and is asking if anyone around knows CPR! Speaking of lust, I had some humorous clinical interactions with some Eight women. My pharmacy was located in the Inland Empire in Southern California away from the ocean breeze. Around late September, we get very hot northeastern desert winds called Santa Anas. The temperature climbs to almost 115 degrees. It's like an oven outdoors. Nothing movies. Business is so slow as to be non-existent. During the Santa Ana weather, the phone would be quiet all day. Well, almost all day. After many hours of silence, suddenly the phone would ring. It was almost always a woman I had identified as an Eight wanting a refill on her birth control pills. I had quite a few customers of various enneagram types on birth control pills. They would not go outside during the Santa Ana heat -- they just abstained from sex until it got cooler. Not the Eights. They refused to break their birth control cycle. I always chuckled when these lusty customers came into my air-conditioned pharmacy after being outside in that Santa Ana oven. I have looked for a biochemical correlation between Enneagram types and psychological traits. I previously described the relationship between low Monoamine Oxidose activity and point Seven behaviors. To be honest, the biological correlation with point Eight behavior is more vague. A person's Enneagram point is probably the result of a dynamic interaction between biological/biochemical factors and environmental influences. Some types might be primarily due to biochemistry but environmental factors will play a role. Other points may be primarily environmental but biology will have a role. Point Six may be an example where environment predominates. When one tries to correlate enneagram Six with Myers Briggs types, one discovers virtually any MBTI type can be Six. (Although Six is more common in ISFJ, ESFJ and ENTJ.) My own point Five is probably more determined by biology. That is most common in the introverted, intuitive, perceptive types such as INFP and particularly INTP. Point Eight, while not as ubiquitous as Six, can be found in many unrelated MBTI types and probably has a strong environmental background. The only biological factor that seemed to correlate with Eight involved the male sex hormone, testosterone. Testosterone levels seem to be correlated with both sexuality and aggression, both examples of Eightish behavior. Around 1935 when testosterone was first isolated in the pure chemical form, it was expected to be the Viagra of its time, turning all middle aged men eighteen years old again. It was to be a biochemical "Fountain of Youth." This simply didn't happen. If a man's testosterone level is not abnormally low, taking exogenous testosterone will not increase his sexuality or potency. In fact, unnecessary oral or injectable testosterone can be dangerous, as testosterone can activate a latent prostate cancer and cause liver damage. If this is the case, what is the possible connection between testosterone and point Eight behavior? Certain studies that tried to compare serum testosterone levels with aspects of aggressive behavior have shown some correlation, but most of them were not statistically significant. It is unlikely an average Eight has a consistent statistically above average testosterone level. Some time ago, I read a book titled something like "Brain Sex." I don't recall the exact title, but the content is clear to me. Testosterone can have an important pre-natal influence on the personality of both men and women. Women exposed to high prenatal testosterone levels were often judged to be more masculine in adult personality than those women not exposed. They were more tomboyish and aggressive, although many were successful wives and mothers. < True? Eights are horrid pple. Mao tse dong's an Eight so is Saddam Hussein and stalin. "My law is the law" yeah, to me. I impose it on myself. That is why people ask me why i do it like this and like that. I dont break the law, as in my law. Apologies to people who suffer under Eights hands out there. 12:56 am powered by blogger |
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